Interview with Jasmuheen for Chinese Online Magazine

 Q1: We’ve learnt from your story that you’ve experienced hardships that most women on this earth have never gone through, e.g., divorce, rape, threat of murder, cancer…

Answer-1: – People find the most amazing strength and resilience when they have to and we never know how strong we are or how fearless we can be until we are pushed to discover our limits and then hopefully find the courage to go beyond them. Like all who are confronted with difficulties in life, I went through so many phases with each experience from the “why me?” question to the “life’s not fair!” statement, from confusion to sadness, then to surrender and acceptance that it was what it was, and then to asking what there was for me to learn from it all. I then moved mentally on to choosing to still see the good in life and the good in people instead of just focusing on what was going wrong in my life. To me each experience helped me to see and re-experience all the positive things in life and to be grateful for simple things like sunshine, or people who love and care for me. To finally come into peace required the mastery of my mind and how I chose to see life.

Q2: What kind of torture did you experience inside because of the above sufferings?

A2: Because I have been in regular meditation since I was aged 16, my suffering did not last long as I knew the power of forgiveness, that everything happens for a reason and every hardship we experience gifts us with insight, wisdom and hopefully virtues if we are open to these.

When life is tough and not going ‘our way’, we can go into the ‘blame others’ game, we can come into sorrow, confusion or anger, or seek revenge or retribution, or we can choose to assess, learn, forgive, move on and discern what we could have done differently and then actually do things differently from then on.

For example, I came to understand the power of asking, in prayer, to see the potential learning of a situation anytime something challenging arose in life and so I could quickly recognize the learning that was there to be gained. Sometimes it was to be more patient, or to act with more kindness towards myself or others, or sometimes to decide to never be in that situation again and so clarity and self-empowerment were gained.

Also, things feel like torture emotionally and/or mentally when we fight or resist what is happening, but when we become detached, as we do through meditation, we can often see why things are manifesting as they are and what we have contributed to that situation. The bigger picture is that everything we experience gifts us with learning and virtues that make us who we are today, which is always – hopefully – a better version of ourselves, kinder and more compassionate with more empathy to assist others in need, if and when this may be required.

Q3: How did you manage to walk out of the shadow of these sufferings?

A3: For me it helped to come into a state of acceptance of each situation without judgment of it being a good thing or a bad thing and seeing instead that it was just another opportunity to grow and learn.  It was as it was, it was before me and I could either fight it mentally and resist it emotionally or I could accept each situation as it arose for the potential it brought for gaining insight and wisdom.

It is also important to honor our feelings, to not deny or pretend something isn’t real for us and so for me at times I cried, I prayed, and eventually I surrendered and in prayer I asked to see the situation from a higher perspective and to then gain both the wisdom and the virtues that all difficult situations can bring.

I also sought help from alternate medicines like homeopathy which allowed me to release emotions that needed release from my body. Usually very independent, I opened to the support of friends and those who cared, I accepted more help from family and gave myself time to heal, to forgive myself and any others who were involved in each situation.

A4: Can you tell us a real story of yours?

Q4: In light of what we have been sharing the below story demonstrates this beautifully. Also anxiety and depression affect one in four people today and suicide is the most common way for people between 15-44 to die, especially males.

In 1999 I met a man in Paris who came up to me at the end of an evening talk and with a look of desperation in his eyes, pleaded:

“You’ve got to help me!”

“What’s the matter?” I gently asked aware of his distress.

“I’ve been so depressed for the last ten years and I just can’t stop it. I’ve tried everything,” he said and then went on to list all the routes he had taken from the established schools of thought to the alternative, and how analysis and self-exploration had failed to lift him from this dark, dark spell.

As I listened patiently to him, I began to chuckle to myself as the solution suddenly seemed so obvious. Looking at him intently, I was guided to ask:

“Have you got a nice home?”

“Yes,” he replied.

“A good job?”

“It’s okay. I guess, it pays the bills.”

“Do you have people who love you? You know, some friends and family?”

“Enough,” he muttered, eyes downcast to the floor.

“What about your health? Are you fit? You look good.”

“Yeh I like to stay in shape,” he grinned shyly.

“Okay! I’ve got it.”

The young man smiled expectantly. “Yes?”

“Each morning we want you to stay in bed until you have thought of at least a dozen things to be grateful for, and then allow yourself to really feel grateful for them.”

He looked a little perplexed.

“You know like ‘Thank you God for the sunshine’ if it’s a sunny day. Or ‘Thank you God for my health. Thankyou God for my house. Thankyou God for those who love me.’ That type of thing, but stay in bed until you begin to feel it, just saying ‘Thank you’ over and over as soon as you’ve found something in your life that you can be truly grateful for. This is an exercise in feeling and acknowledgment and it’s designed to lift your spirits and put your attitude to life back into perspective.”

“Remember,” we said again, “hold an attitude of gratitude!”

Thankfully he got it. A month or so later I heard that he was no longer feeling depressed.

This is the magic of a universe that operates under the Law where like attracts like. When we wander the Earth, giving thanks and being grateful, the quantum intelligence in the universe looks at us and says:

“Oh there’s a grateful little bunny, let’s give her/him more to be grateful for!”

And then the blessings come.

Personally, I am eternally grateful for this life, grateful for those who I love and am loved by, and grateful for the opportunity to even be aware of the power of gratitude and how the simple act of being grateful can put us into a different zone of experience.

Q5: Though going through so many sufferings, you look radiant today. How do you view those sufferings in the past and those people who hurt you before?

A5: I feel very blessed by all that I have gone through as I have gained so much insight into the nature of human suffering and how we only suffer until we change our perspective around what is happening in our life and seek to understand why it is happening.

Everything that does happen is an opportunity to learn and everything we endure can also make us stronger and more compassionate if we allow this. When we blame circumstances and others for what is happening we stay powerless as other people change only when they are ready. And while we cannot change others we can always change ourselves and how we are choosing to deal with a situation.

Sometimes life delivers things to us that just are as they are and we cannot undo them or stop them from coming or change them when they come but we can always change the way we choose to experience something. Acceptance without being a victim, choosing to learn, forgiveness, surrender into a higher state of understanding and awareness, all of these things are incredible gifts to be given through the living of life.

Also, those who inflict pain, sadness, suffering on others do so out of ignorance and from lack of awareness and love, these ones are in pain or they would not behave that way. They need love and support and when they are ready, re-education into a different way to be in this world. All can walk the path of harmony with all life, when they are ready and open to exist like this for when we are truly ready for change, that change will always come.

Q6: How do you see women’s suffering in today’s society?

A6: The incidence of heart dis-ease, diabetes, depression, obesity and suicide are rising in many countries in our world and women are being affected more than ever before. Traditionally it was mainly men who suffered from heart dis-ease and we thought that this was because women were good at sharing their feelings, that they communicated better than men regarding many issues in life, so they didn’t bottle up their emotions. We know from in-depth research that emotional, mental and physical toxicity all aids in the creation of disease and an unhappy state of being.

Countries and cultures where women are well educated with holistic programs that promote a balanced lifestyle, are helping to combat this rise in physical disease and many people are also now living much longer.

In other countries, there are strong patriarchal cultures where women are still seen as the property of a man and they have very few basic human rights, they are there to breed, to take care of family and, if they are suffering in any way then they have to suffer in silence, unheard and sometimes violently opposed if they do seek greater freedom.

In my country Australia, many women’s magazines talk about the importance of a healthy diet, how good communication, yoga and also now meditation, are helpful in creating a balanced and happy life. Many understand now how it is so important to create this balance by spending the right mix of time with family, friends, and even in looking after ourselves on all levels, as well as finding work that we are passionate about, where we can even contribute in a positive way to society.

Yet suicide and depression affect more men than women with one in four men being affected by these and so even our men’s magazines and programs are now sharing of the need for better communication, non-violence and living a balanced life, enjoying the things they work so hard for, like family.

Lack of balance in life creates suffering as does lack of awareness of who we really are beyond our ego personality nature. As we have shared, to me, suffering is just a tool for us to grow and learn by, an opportunity to change our perspective and having learnt, gain virtues. Good holistic education can also help alleviate peoples suffering as can living a balanced life that honors who we are at our core. By this we mean experiencing and knowing our true nature, that energy that gives us life and breathes us which meditation allows us to explore. Self-knowledge and self-mastery can alleviate all suffering.

Q7: Some people say hidden in our bodies are the collective sub-consciousness which is an accumulative of sufferings through generations. What do you think?

A7: It is true that our dominant thinking and feeling patterns determine our future and drive our evolution as a species yet when each individual comes into peace so does their society.

Knowing this, I choose to focus on which part of myself that I wish to develop and experience.

For example, a person may come into a garden and only see the weeds that are there and then they may spend all their time eliminating those weeds, after judging them or seeing them as bad or restrictive.

Another person may go into a garden and see all the beauty that is there and lovingly spend time developing that beauty, making the garden even more amazing for others to enjoy.

We have all suffered, we all have had so many challenges, this is a natural part of who we are.

The question is what do we want to experience, the beauty or the suffering? Universal law and quantum intelligence degrees that what we focus on will grow and I know this to be a truth in my own life.

So, can we accept all levels of our being – from the sub-conscious, to the conscious, to the higher more divine consciousness that we carry? Each is as it is and we are only as limited by what we choose to be limited by. I choose to live a life that allows my higher nature with its purer consciousness to express itself and be the strongest, most dominant part of myself. To do this means we end up radiating a very nourishing energy to all we meet in our world, for we have gone beyond limited realities and have chosen to identify with that part of ourselves that allows us to know and express true freedom.

Q8: While lecturing throughout the world, what do you see as the common impact exerted by collective sub-consciousness on women?

A8: A common issue that many western women deal with is lack of self-worth which often expresses itself as having a poor body image, an inability to love and appreciate themselves just as they are, or seeking refuge in various emotional addictions. This lack of self-worth sees some accepting relationships and ways of being that are less than honoring of their true nature.

However, most people that come to my gatherings have meditated enough to know that at our core, we are neither male or female, Caucasian or Asian, old or young. Through meditation we have experienced our Essence nature and found that we are all one energy expressing a little differently in many different bodies on earth. I believe and have found that self-knowledge and meditation frees us from many limited influences including what the mass collective is projecting.

Q9: There’re many Chinese women at your workshops– what generally are the issues they bring with them to workshops? What’s the difference between Chinese women and women in other parts of the world that you came in contact with?

A9: Women are women all over the world, although there are some obvious cultural conditions that can affect us if we choose to be affected in this way or don’t know we have a choice. I have spent time in many different cultures from tribal cultures in South America to Muslim cultures in Turkey and Morocco, where some women still wear the burka. Despite existing in what appears to be a strong patriarchal society, the women I met with held great power, they were strong, loving, intelligent and happy, for they knew that freedom comes from a state of consciousness, from self-mastery and knowing who we are at our core. They were dignified and Queen-like despite their cultural circumstances and their men treated them with honor and respect.

In China, I have met the same, strong women who love wisely and well, while also maintaining a life of balance.

All around the world and also in China I have also met sad and disappointed women who are less self-empowered and who still seek happiness from outside of themselves, expecting that wealth, health or a good man, will make them happy rather than taking responsibility for their own happiness through holistic living that brings self-knowledge and self-fulfillment.

Sometimes we have to suffer enough to then rise and say, “No more! How can I live my life in a way that brings out the best in me, the best in my husband and the best in my family, I am open to learn this now!” Once we seek to live life in a way that is for the highest good of all, our loving universe supports us to manifest this wish, for to live like this, in harmony with all life is beneficial for human evolution. This is something we will share more of in our True Love Pure Love Program in Beijing.

Q10: What do you think are the common issues facing the Chinese women? How do we confront and resolve them? e.g., the majority of Chinese leftover women (girls not married beyond the age of 27 or 28) are discriminated against in the Chinese society.

A10: I have just begun to spend more time in China and with Chinese people in general so I cannot be specific in my comments on this matter. However, sometimes we all have to assess traditions that are so judgmental that they create harm and limitation or unhappiness. I had four wonderful daughters, three now as one died a few years ago. Two of my daughters married in their thirties as is common in the West, yet my 38-year-old daughter prefers a life of celibacy. My only wish for my children is that they are healthy, happy and living a life they find fulfilling. I know and trust that if it is in their pre-birth plan they will connect with the right one for them at the right time as has just happened to my 40-year-old daughter. I would rather they wait for the one that is just right for them, than have them try to fulfil other people’s expectation of what is considered correct.

Q11: You mentioned in your book we have a permanent and sacred goddess; you mentioned triple goddess: virgin, mother and crone. In your understanding, what qualities should a goddess carry? How can we turn ourselves into goddesses?

A11: The triple Goddess represents the stages that women naturally go through and the gifts we carry from each stage. Our virgin self is our androgynous innocent child self, the one who trusts and is perhaps naive, unworldly, the one who has not yet learnt to fear. The mother aspect of the Triple Goddess represents our nurturing self, the mother taking care of others, of her family, her children or animals she loves, or the nurturing, caring father who may do the same, the man who lovingly takes care of his wife, his business and co-workers. Then we have our third stage in life where we have gained wisdom through the living of life and sometimes this ‘wisdom gaining’ can take a long time, although the gaining of wisdom is not age related. However, being alive for a long time it is assumed we have learnt enough to be called the crone or wise-woman.

There are so many Goddesses who offer different gifts and who embody different virtues, so we can find the ones we like and ask to also embody that which they carry. For example, in meditation we can tune to Kwan Yin who is the Goddess of mercy and compassion, and we can send her a beam of love while giving thanks for her Presence in the world, we can then ask that she overshadow us and imbue us with her virtues or teach us how to be more merciful and more compassionate. Or perhaps we wish to know more of love and so we can tune to the Goddess Aphrodite.

However, it is important that we do not give our power away to forces outside of ourselves and to know that we also have a God/Goddess nature which is there for us to connect to as the perfect guide, via silent stillness and meditation.

It is interesting to note that the Gods and Goddesses can be seen as archetypes as per the teachings of carl Jung. When some people are confronted by a situation that they are unsure of, and they love the teaching of a wise one, such as Kwan Yin, Lao Tzu or even Buddha, they may often ask “How would Kwan Yin of Buddha act in this situation?” or “What would Lao Tzu do in this situation?” and then they emulate that behavior.

Q12: You are a breatharian attracting attention from scientists worldwide and you are called “grandmother of breatharians”. But it’s really hard to believe that a person can survive without relying on food, and hence there are many people who question this. How do you explain scientifically to people about this quality of yours?

A12: It is important to note that I eat all the time but from a different fuel source, what the Chinese term Chi or the Indian yogis call prana. Being in a state of Bigu is a 6,000 year old tradition in China and in the west and we are just beginning to understand the science of this as more people live the lifestyle required to attune to this field of possibility.

Usually we explain that the freedom to do this comes from consistent immersion in the perfect channel where this is possible. By spending time in a certain way, we get immersed in stronger, deeper, more consistent chi or pranic flows.

Time spending is about lifestyle, and how we utilize our day by day time which then determines our frequency and which energy zone we can stay anchored in consistently enough to be well nourished. This lifestyle also makes us healthier and happier and is a great preventative medicine or even healing program and we will share more on this in our seminar in Shenzhen.

Our day to day lifestyle also changes our brain wave patterns from the busy beta to alpha to the theta zones where the bio-system behaves differently. To be free from all hungers, we believe that our brain hemispheres must be balanced so that logic and intuition are both honored and utilized, and so that our brain wave patterns stabilize in the theta zone. Our master glands – the pituitary and the pineal – need boosting and alignment to produce more DMT and Amrita which feed the brain and keep the body healthy.

A balanced brain helps to activate our intuitive sense which is how our higher nature communicates with us and guides us through life and through this transition.

Breath awareness is also key, along with experience of that which is breathing us. Breath is utilized to both oxygenate and energize the system with prana.

Being physically nourished by pure prana as Cosmic Micro-fuel is a wonderful freedom of choice and once mastered and locked-in to the channel, many find the joy of taking physical food just for pleasure rather than for need, to be so liberating.

 Q13. Nowadays many people advocate vegetarianism – some people are pretty healthy with vegetarian diet while others look lean and haggard and suffer from mal-nutrition. How do you see vegetarianism? Do you encourage people to be vegetarians?

A13: A balanced vegetarian diet can help the body heal and make us healthier but some people do not have a balanced diet that ensures they receive the right minerals, vitamins and proteins which is why they look haggard or too lean. Also some vegetarians do not exercise and we recommend that people do Tai Chi, Qigong and/or yoga to help build and maintain muscle mass.

A vegetarian diet also tunes us to the fields of kindness and compassion, which provide a nourishing frequency spectrum for our emotional body and allows us to exist in a deeper level of harmony with the animal kingdom. Enjoying animals as friends rather than food is a beautiful shift in consciousness that brings so many rewards.

Many years ago, when I was engaged in a regular spiritual counselling program, one of the tasks we suggested to help lift people out of depression, was to have them engage in regular acts of kindness and selfless service, which always had an immediate impact on how they were feeling. Suddenly they moved from the self-absorbed realm of ‘me’ to the broader ‘we’ reality, where their acts of kindness also nourished them emotionally.

Many people also love the idea of having a minimalistic carbon footprint regarding consumption of our worlds resources as it takes 20 times the worlds resources to put meat on the table compared to vegetarian food.

Q14: Many people believe that spiritual practice can bring longevity, health, perennial youth; but in fact many spiritually enlightened people suffer from cancer and die in agony. How do you see the relationship between spiritual growth and physical body?

A14: To me it is so important that our bio-system operates in harmony on all levels within itself and with all the realms – within and also around us. This means harmony on physical, emotional, mental and spiritual levels and we know when we are in harmony, for we are healthy, happy and we feel whole and complete.

One of the problems of some people who dedicate their lives to full time spiritual service, is that we can access energies that are so creative and inspiring that we can become so absorbed by these that we forget to rest and stay in balance. Being in balance seems to be a challenge for so many.

Personally, I have found that a life of pure-hearted service can bring great Grace which can be quite addictive so it is easy to forget everything else. Sometimes people forget to eat, to sleep, to take time for themselves, as they become so entranced by the joy of giving that they just do not think of these things and I have met many spiritual leaders like this including many monks and nuns.

Then of course there are people who are so inspired by their spiritual journey and so tuned to other realms that they are almost not here, not fully present in the body and so they are unable to feel its changing rhythms, until it has manifested its discontent at being ignored with some type of dis-ease.

Others are conditioned by some spiritual traditions that say the body is unimportant and only the spirit matters or they are impatient to achieve a more enlightened state so they dedicate all their time to this to the detriment of enjoying life in general.

Everyone’s body creates cancer cells and the rhythm of cancer can rise and fall according to our lifestyle and how in balance we are. When the vibration of cancer rises to become potentially life-threatening, it is the body saying, “hey something is out of balance in the system!”.

Also, cancer is a quick way for a soul to exit the world when their work is done here and so many choose unconsciously to go this way. This is something we will address in-depth in our Shenzhen seminar on Healing and the Lifestyle for Health, Harmony and Happiness.

 Q15: You mentioned: I treat my body as a temple. The body is a grail in which the holy spirit dwells so it needs care and attention to live in freedom. What are the practices you adopt to treat the body as a temple?

A15: In the life-style we recommend, we do invite people to treat the body as a Temple, to learn to hear its voice and to treat it with respect and care. This means having a good diet with lots of high life-force unprocessed foods so that the digestive process is minimalized, enjoying regular exercise, rest as required, plus giving the body system lots of love and appreciation.

Everything responds well to love and appreciation, whether it is our children, our partners, our family and yes even our body consciousness which is a living awareness that can tell us exactly what is wrong if we take the time to listen.

The body consciousness and the body itself is an amazing bio-computer that has the capacity to self-heal, to regenerate and also be self-sustaining as it knows how to access enough chi directly to do all of this naturally, once we allow it and can trust it to do so and once we align to the right channel for this. Imbedded within the body is also our chakra and meridian system which is part of the Matrix of our Light body which also holds specific templates that can be activated more powerfully to deliver all of this as well.

Q16. Some people believe “true spiritual practitioners do not care about making wishes come true, or the laws of attraction, or the books of the kind like “The Secret”, because such books belong to the realm of worldly dharma, not unworldly ones. Such books focus on how to attract a desired result through mental power.” However, many spiritual workshops recommend laws of attraction, and talk about connecting with universal energy to make your wishes come true. What’s your take on these two opposing viewpoints?

A16: We have so many people in our world with such different levels of awareness. Some are focused on applying the highest spiritual teachings that they can manifest, others are interested in this as well and yet they may still be trying to come into a happy life balance. Others believe that manifesting love, health and wealth will make them happy and fulfilled and so they naturally want to know how they can do this. All stages are part of a person’s journey and so it is good to respect and honor each stage for what it is and so, in honor and respect there is nothing that is opposing, all just is.

There are three main Universal Laws operating powerfully on earth right now that we can work with and applying these laws personally, can bring great Grace and support and also ensure a more enlightened evolutionary path for our world. Understanding Universal Law can make life much easier and living by these laws selflessly can make our presence in the world an uplifting one.

Doing anything solely for personal gain is very different to applying these laws in service for the greater good. When one is complete and whole then we are agenda free for we need nothing and in needing nothing, it seems we are given everything, simply because we do live life via Universal law in a pure-hearted, agenda free, way.

Also, it is unfortunate that in order to bring some people to a spiritual gathering, there must be an element of seduction to draw them and answer their unspoken question of “What will I gain if I come?” Everyone wants love, health, wealth, good relationships, passion and purpose in life and so they seek tools to manifest all of this. It is much rarer to find people who are agenda free and are pure-hearted in their desire to just be a nourishing, loving, kind, compassionate person in the world although more are coming into this state of being. In the West more people now come to spiritual gatherings just to add their own pure presence to the field and enjoy the company of like-minded people rather than seeking anything personally for they know the power that gathering like this can energetically have on the world.

Q17. There’re some negative comments about you on the internet. How do you see such negative comments from other people?(e.g., they called you leader of a cult that encouraged people not to eat and someone died because of this…)

A17. All throughout history, anytime someone has challenged the status quo, there has been a range of various reactions from those as yet uneducated into the new reality that is being offered. Some are extremely open-minded and look deeper at the research, others are skeptical, still others can become angrily opposed if what is offered is unacceptable to their model of reality.

I understand that this is natural so we do not get affected by this.

Our job is to educate and the more we do this in an intelligent and loving way, the less resistance we receive, for example Bigu is accepted in China but not in the West until we began our education program as to how this is possible. These days we get so few negative comments compared to twenty years ago regarding people’s ability to be nourished by chi, so we can see that our education program is working and the benefits of this on our worlds health and environment are amazing so the research will continue.

Also, it helps to remember that many people have died from attempting to do things their system was not ready for, for example, in 2015 twenty two people died trying to climb Mt Everest. Then we have people dying from medical mistakes or misdiagnosis which accounts for some 400,000 deaths per year.

However, knowing how people can push themselves to do things before they are ready, we have continued to refine our programs so that they are as safe as they can be as to me, one death is too many.